(note-this does not include EAST St. Louis-in Illinois-across the river-no real reason for a tourist to go there) Buses can get you down to Busch Stadium, but you might want to consider a rental car. How we determined the worst St. Louis hoods in 2021. That near perfect line you see separating the blue and orange areas is what we call the "Delmar Divide". ST. LOUIS, AP Just days after the St. Louis Cardinals won the top honor in the Major League Baseball championships, their hometown jumped to first place on a list no one wants to lead: the most dangerous cities in the United States. /r/StLouis is dedicated to the news, events, and weird food of the Greater St. Louis and surrounding areas. In fact, most of the city is residential (primarily single-family homes and two- and four-family flats). Gonna try to get to as many as possible! You definitely want to follow the same rules that you would in any other major city. /r/StLouis is dedicated to the news, events, and weird food of the Greater St. Louis and surrounding areas. I have no idea where everyone is getting all the false statistics, I have lived in the St. Louis area my whole life and never once was mugged, raped, harassed, vandaled, assaulted or had my house or car broken into. According to the FBI data, Saint Louis has a population of 317,095 and in 2015 had 5762 violent crimes occur within city limits. Never really felt uncomfortable at any of them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, I've found this map to be the most illustrative. Many people in our area think that african american = unsafe. I live in Northhampton. WashU kids never have a need to trek over to East St. Louis. Discussion of all things related to the narcotics known as opiates, from … There was a gentleman walking around to each group saying some aggressive stuff, and it appeared he was not in a normal state of mind. According to Morgan Quitno Press (2010), the St Louis Metropolitan Area is not even among the top 25 most dangerous metros in the US! First time in St. Louise (second time in The US) in a couple of weeks. /r/StLouis is dedicated to the news, events, and weird food of the Greater St. Louis and surrounding areas. Do you think that the existence of the county/city division has made crime worse in the city? The numbers mean that a metro Charlotte resident has a 1-in-234 chance of becoming a victim of violent crime, while the figure is 1-in-220 in the St. Louis metro area, Rosenfeld said. I think his point was that the city of St Louis is actually what in any other metro area would just be called downtown. Multiplying that by 66 sq. Reality: St. Louis is 10x larger with a population of nearly 3 million people. Crime is always bad downtown, and without a true representation of our residential neighborhoods to balance out the crime, our violent crime rate looks astronomical when, in fact, it’s fairly typical of a Midwestern city. Keep in mind, this is only including the county areas adjacent to Saint Louis City. They consider "St. Louis" to be that small, geopolitical area from Forest Park to the riverfront and a population of 300K. This characterization sounds like it was written by someone quite unfamiliar with the city. Using stats of metropolitan areas is, of course, the only logical method to compare urban areas. Would you feel safe walking about the south side of Chicago? But that doesn't mean the whole city of St. Louis is bad. There's a good BBQ place up by SLU called Pappy's if you're there. while the rougher parts of town have a lot of abandoned buildings. Anyways, he's a brilliant academic and home-grown to boot. 21 votes, 40 comments. Also could I have the places to stay away from and the places that are could tourists attractions for teens. Some other decent places to eat there too within walking distance. This gives Indianapolis a lower crime rate of 1287.98. The same parts of town have more people, more security, more restaurants, etc. However, the second part to that argument states that our violent crime isn’t any worse than violent crime in other midwestern cities. “Why is St. Louis, MO so dangerous?” You are probably going to get a lot of answers to this question. It's a corrupt town with a corrupt government and has a high crime rate. Just watch where you go, and be aware of your surroundings and you'll be fine. St Louis is not very dangerous. A report from the independent advocacy group Citizen Council for Public Security and Criminal Justice, based in Mexico City, ranked the world’s largest cities based exclusively by their 2014 murder rate per capita.. St. Louis was the No. Might be a cool idea to meet up, thanks! I'm going to live close to Washington University School of Medicine. Our total size is 66 sq. In 2014 the murder rate of the City was higher than that of Honduras, the country with the highest murder rate in the world. These headline writing idiots will talk of crime in "St. Louis" but they are only looking at that small section and calling it the whole. Here's a list of the municipalities I included in my second calculation: So, the two cities have a completely different geography (I mean, Indy isn't smack-butt against a river). I lived there for about 4 years and St. Louis is NOT DANGEROUS. As of April 2017, St. Louis has the highest murder rate in the nation.The violence in the city is escalating at alarming rates. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that a … Perhaps it's harder to get crime data for all counties in an MSA? Will definitely try Pappy's! Are we some super safe city? There are parts that are dangerous. In order to do this, I pulled up the 2015 murder maps of Saint Louis and Indianapolis. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This Midwestern city … Elsewhere in this thread you asked if there were commonly known no-go zones, which I think is a perfectly legit question, but one that will be hard to get a straight answer to, unfortunately. Ofcourse the media is putting out fires with gasoline but as a person from Scandinavia we are not used to such large cities and we never have to navigate between different safe and "dangerous" areas. However, local government agencies are working with the governor of Missouri to clean up our streets and restore peace to our beautiful city. I mean, even I get that this episode of gangland is total BS and trying to make St. Louis look bad showing old footage. You'll know when you're in a safe part of town and when you're not. Typically, these lists are put together by some previously unknown website who scrapes data from the FBI crime database, compiles it into a clickbait article, and then publishes it without a second thought. It’s true that if we merge some county municipalities with Saint Louis City that we would no longer appear on those dreaded lists. A typical metropolitan area is centered on a single large city that wields substantial influence over the region (e.g., Chicago or Atlanta). It's interesting that, in your account, the same area is also the wealthiest. You're right that St. Louis can't all be called downtown. As of 2017, St. Louis is ranked to be the most dangerous city in America. Saint Louis does have a problem with violent crime, but it's also a great city that's being misrepresented by negative clickbait articles which, I think it's fair to say, we should all ignore. Yeah, I figured as much but can be good to know if there are commonly known no-go zones! I've found this map to be the most illustrative. I counted the number of murders within that 66 sq. Been reading a lot about gang violence and stuff. How sad. Please check out our sidebar and wiki for a plethora of knowledge. I'd like to point out that your overlay of STL on Indy lays smack dab on that path, and I'd argue that gives Indy an unrealistic edge in the comparison. This new crime rate just barely removes us from the top 10 list. Everyone has huddled together in small groups, and you could tell something seemed tense. Instead, we remained a downtown district with relatively few residential neighborhoods. Downtown is a very small part of what's inside the city limits. As long as you mind your surroundings, you'll be fine. Don't go into abandoned buildings, don't spend any time in areas that seem shady or spend any time wit people that seem shady. That is golden! Hopefully this was interesting! With 67 murders among a population of 255,860, that gives Indianapolis an adjusted murder rate of 26.2. Crime is always bad downtown, and without a true representation of our residential neighborhoods to balance out the crime. Our newly calculated violent crime rate would then be 1417.58. I suppose I could play around with the map and try to squeeze some more murders into the 66 sq. It looks like our new crime rate would be 1417.59 instead of the 1181.22 I originally stated. Indianapolis has a population of 863,675 and in 2015 had 11,124 violent crimes. I used zipatlas to get the population densities and I used this zip code map(http://www.zipmap.net/Indiana/Marion_County/Indianapolis_city_(balance).htm) to determine which zip codes lay in the 66 sq. North city is horrendous, but South city is safe. Counting city and county crime rates together would mean lists are comparing apples to apples, not apples to oranges like it is now. This is particularly true when it comes to education; failing school systems are almost always in municipalities which have low income and thus low tax revenue. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. My wife, who had never lived in a big city before, had no fears taking public transit any place around the city. I realize that a lot of people won't be satisfied with my conclusions, but I hope that in the future we can try to meet somewhere in the middle. Yes. I read the same thing about your city and every other major city in the world. Next, I took a look at the population density per zip code in order to estimate the population density of that entire area. To figure out how bad a place is to live in, we only needed to know what kinds of things people like and then decide what places have the least amount of those things. Yet again, St. Louis was ranked number 1 for the most dangerous city in the country. Cookies help us deliver our Services. ST. LOUIS (KMOV)-- Using recent data from the FBI's crime report, St. Louis and East St. Louis were both named one of the Most Dangerous Cities in America list. Indianapolis has a size of 368.1 sq. Overall, safety in St. Louis is no different than any other urban area. In 2014, St Louis was ranked as the 19th most dangerous city in the world by the Mexican aid organisation CCSP-JP (El Consejo Ciudadano para la Seguridad Publica y la Justicia Penal). Saint Louis is at a disadvantage when it comes to the FBI data because our city is artificially small compared to other cities in the database. At the recent All-Star Game, St. Louis was tied for 4th in the ratings with only one participating player. While many cities may have statistics based on a few million people, the statistics you see for St. Louis are only based on 300,000 or so people and a relatively small geographic area, part of which has some concentrated crime. miles gives the area a total population of 255,860. im staying in the hilton near busch stadium in downtown st. louis and i was just wondering if thats a safe part of town. Thanks for your insight. Places like Albuquerque rank higher than STL. Compare this image With the Indianapolis murder map. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Saint Louis only has a size of 66 sq. If you want to go out for a beer or something, let me know! I think you came to the right conclusion overall. I'm from Sweden and also in my upper 20s! East St. Louis is the worst area in St. Louis. I'd expect to find a few of those around where you are. Argument #2 will say that the first argument is naïve and those who argue that point are just making excuses for a city which is terribly governed and completely overrun by criminals, murderers, and Democrats. This is higher than the original, but still comes nowhere near the Saint Louis murder rate. Just a minor pet peeve here: nobody who actually lives in the City calls all of it Downtown. mile. Just like every other city in the world, St. Louis is no different. I'm stuck for a week due to a workshop at the uni. My wife and I have lived here for about a year and love it. Here's a list of BBQ joints from the Visitor's Guide. I don't have any data on this, but I would assume that people and businesses are scared away from St. Louis due to the crime statistics. Press J to jump to the feed. It is safe for tourists in common areas. Not a chance. Detroit overtook St. Louis as the nation's new most dangerous city. This. In 2019, 275 people were murdered. EDIT: I miscalculated some numbers and had to correct them. For a while I regularly used the terminal 1 airport, Hanley, Rock Road, Delmar, Forest Park, CWE, Convention, and Fairview stations. How not dangerous? It was dead silent at the station except for the one guy wandering to each group. Here Are The 13 Most Dangerous Places In St. Louis After Dark. I will probably stay very close to Washington University School of Medicine. I think I'm going to enjoy my stay St. Louise. Binford Blvd serves as like a weird "artery of wealth" into that part of the state. While most major cities are part of a larger county, or in some instances the city and the county completely overlap each other, the city of St. Louis is it's own separate entity. Just in case you’re curious, the murder rate in the worst three zip codes of North city is around 200 murders per 100k people. Wow, meant no offence to your city. I've lived here my whole life, and there are parts of other cities that I've been to that feel way less "safe" than St. Louis as a whole. Been reading a lot about gang violence and stuff. These headline writing idiots will talk of crime in "St. Louis" but they are only looking at that small section and calling it the whole. Saint Louis is at a disadvantage when it comes to the FBI data because our city is artificially small compared to other cities in the database. Huge statistical difference between young african american males in certain areas and the rest of the population. LOUIS — "St. Louis is the most dangerous city in the U.S." It's the headline you couldn't miss today if you have a phone, listen to the radio, or get a newspaper. miles. But is it true? [ ^PM | Exclude ^me | Exclude from ^subreddit | FAQ / ^Information ] Downvote to remove | v0.23. However, North city is still a bloody hemorrhaging wound, and we cannot ignore the fact that we still have a terrible problem with violent crime. If you don't want to be involved in the dangerous part, then you just stay away from there. - I am looking for suggestions on where to stay in St Louis. I.e. mile area. Being from the St. Louis area I can tell you that a lot of cops have been shot at and murdered over the last several years. Instead, we remained a downtown district with relatively few residential neighborhoods. Press J to jump to the feed. To be clear, I'm not saying it isn't dangerous or it's less dangerous etc etc. We threw the following criteria into this analysis in order to get the best, most complete results possible. The National Council … The entire St. Louis area, including both St. Louis City and St. Louis county has several million people. It wasn’t a perfect analysis and I welcome any questions about my methods or disagreements with my conclusions. I compared two Midwestern cities, Saint Louis and Indianapolis (because the hoosiers in Indianapolis need to be taken down a notch). Yes St. Louis was the highest in crime. That "accounting trick" is used by almost every other city. Like everywhere else, the violence is usually isolated in some areas where you'd never find yourself. But if Centene's primary concern over whether it can grow in St. Louis is crime, a comparison of regional crime statistics between Charlotte and St. Louis provides a complicated picture. It is unlikely you would use the Wellston station as a tourist, aside from maybe a brief 30 second stop there on the way to for from the airport. We have one day and want to visit the arch, and city museum. miles and if we put the areas of highest crime right in the middle of the smaller Indianapolis, just as it appears Saint Louis is unfortunate enough to have had occurred? I traced the outline of Saint Louis and placed that outline right square in the middle of the highest density of murders on that Indianapolis murder map. You might be interested in some of Rick Rosenfeld's (UMSL crim professor) work (if you are not already familiar). This gave me an estimated population density of 3876.7 per sq. On things like light rail and downtown after dark, all the same common sense that applies everywhere else also applies here. It's like any other city. mile border to be 67. In fact, crime in St. Louis has declined by nearly 50 percent over the past decade (see graph below). In terms of suburbs of indy, the super-white, super-wealthy area is actually on that north-east end bound by SR-31 on the west and I-69 on the east, so as you drive north on binford, it gradually gets richer and safer. Due to the Great Divorce, as Saint Louis expanded westward, none of the newly created communities were included as part of our city. They consider "St. Louis" to be that small, geopolitical area from Forest Park to the riverfront and a population of 300K. miles, but that seems disingenuous. ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) - A busy intersection in Maryland Heights topped a list of the most dangerous intersections in the state. I was trying to express that our downtown areas take up a larger portion of our total size. Thanks! After tallying up those populations, along with their violent crimes, that gives Saint Louis an adjusted total population of 487,801 and in 2015 would give us 6915 violent crimes. Instead, we remained a downtown district with relatively few residential neighborhoods. Also, Indy is basically bound by the I-465. I can't say for sure. Not OP, but the socio-economic realities of the city/county division do make crime more prevalent. most cities has the luxury of throwing in some of the low-crime suburban areas into their crime rates, whereas St. Louis city is boxed in). I've only ever felt slightly uncomfortable at one metro stop: Wellston. Obviously, those people have never lived here. What would happen if Indianapolis’ size was limited to 66 sq. That gives us a murder rate of 59.3. One idea would be to use MSAs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas) - have you seen anyone do analyses based on these? Downtown starts at Jefferson and Market for me, just west of Union Station. miles, which is tiny compared to other cities. The city did experience a good amount of job loss during the recession, and much of this came at the expense of the north side. It's no worse here than any other major city in the world. Thanks! EAST ST. LOUIS, Ill. – East St. Louis was named the most dangerous city in the country, according to a home safety trade group. I don't know how much water that theory holds, but I could see that once the notion of "the city has more crime" existed, that criminals would tend to commit more crime in the city. It is important to understand that most criminal activity occurs in a handful of block segments, accounting for the majority of violent crime in St. Louis. If you have lived in St. Louis for any length of time, you’ll be familiar with the “Top 10 most dangerous Cities” list that is perennially reported on by the Post Dispatch in their never ending quest to harvest our clicks. During 2015 in Saint Louis we had 188 murders. This is bad for all of us. Yes, it's as safe as or safer than any other US city. At first glance, it looks like victory sorta belongs to argument #1. http://www.zipmap.net/Indiana/Marion_County/Indianapolis_city_(balance).htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas. Unsurprisingly, the answer is somewhere in the middle. According to the 11 most dangerous cities, the data shows which city has the highest overall incidence of crime compared to that of the national rate.The score of 100 on the index of crime would be equal to that of the national rate, St. Louis scored a 530. As far as tourism goes in St. Louis, it is safe to see what St. Louis has to offer. I have friends in St. Charles who call as far west as Delmar and Union "Downtown". Sorry. How safe is it to just stroll arround on my own? These failing systems make crime more likely, which in turn drives more people away from those areas, preventing more money from entering the municipality, which only makes the problem worse. Similarly, it would be like taking all the crime in any downtown of a large city and saying all that crime there happens everywhere. The "scary" part of St. Louis is actually East St. Louis which is across the river and actually not in Missouri but in Illinois. The difference is, just like in your city, it's isolated to areas that no one would go anyway. There’s definitely a problem. Please check out our sidebar and wiki for a plethora of knowledge. 58.7k It is NOT part of St. Louis County. Can include shops, restaurants, events/festivals, anything to look forward to, especially for when this pandemic is over. I was hoping you all could help me add to the list. In the United States, a metropolitan statistical area (MSA) is a geographical region with a relatively high population density at its core and close economic ties throughout the area. This is really subjective, but that 465 boundary to me feels very similar to the 270 boundary on the west side. I personally recomment Bogart's, SugarFire, and Shaved Duck, though many places have great BBQ. I'd be interested to see how that plays around with the numbers. What you read is pure BS. It doesn't make the city safer, but the FBI numbers unfairly represent our safer neighborhoods as more dangerous than they are. Calling the entire city "Downtown" is a dead giveaway. Please check out our sidebar and wiki for a plethora of knowledge. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Even though it's sometimes dangerous, and the number of homeless people and junkies on the streets may make you feel uneasy, the criminal activities that occur only apply to dangerous parts of the city, which are rarely frequented by tourists. St. Louis came in as the nation's 3rd most dangerous city, according to preliminary figures recently released by the FBI, with 17.5 violent crimes per 1000 people in 2010. St. Louis is the only U.S. city in the top 20 on a list of the world’s most dangerous cities. You put this question way better than I did. /r/StLouis is dedicated to the news, events, and weird food of the Greater St. Louis and surrounding areas. Detroit's violent crime rate is 1,965 incidents per 100,000 residents. You also have the advantage of coming from somewhere that is more socially progressive. St Louis is overall very safe to travel to. The first thing I did was to recalculate Saint Louis’ crime rate if our city limits were to be expanded west towards 170. There was also no Metro security guard as there is supposed to be. Please check out our sidebar and wiki for a plethora of knowledge. The stats are misleading. To discover nice restaurants etc... Heard about your famous bbq and would like to go to a baseball game! 68.0k By adding these municipalities, we would just barely be removed from the top 10 list. Any stops on any of the metro lines tourists should avoid? On a couple different occasions he has discussed the statistical artifact of St. Louis crime rates (i.e. Absolutely. East St. Louis , a city in Southern Illinois , is commonly abbreviated ESL. 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